Yes, a YouTuber could be chosen as the Pope (here is how)

Could Jimmy Akin, Joe Heschmeyer or Trent Horn really become a Pope? It sounds far-fetched-but it is not impossible. In this episode, Joe Heschmeyer Cy Kellett joins to examine who can actually be elected to the Pope, including surprising moments in history when non-cardinal have been selected. They break what the canonical law says, how the conclave works and what the chances really have that a “regular Catholic” could become the next Pope.

Transcript:

Caller: We want to do these things totally. Share incorrect AI-generated pictures of different people than Pope.

Cy: I have seen so many people as a Pope in the past few days.

Joe: Yes. Maybe I did a Jimmy Akin myself as a Pope. I didn't see it this afternoon, so I sent it to our in -house group chat. Just because I had suggested that this would unite East and West with its great beard.

Cy: If Jimmy became Pope what could happen, he is a baptized Catholic man. But then the aliens would come; You would say: “This is one of us. It's time to get to Earth.”

Joe: Perfect.

Cy: I wonder if he would use the power of the papacy to get to the bottom of this bigfoot thing and just to put it on once and for all.

Joe: I am not entirely sure whether the power of the papacy works like this, but …

Cy: Oh, it's a great force. Great strength. The power of the papacy. All sorts of things. You know, it's also funny to somehow look at these cardinals and go: “My goodness, one of these boys is about to be the pope.” I don't know which one it is, but one of these types – I mean, you could choose someone outside of the College of Cardinale.

Joe: But it is … I don't think it has happened for … many centuries since last time. Yes, either the 13th or 14th century, I think, the last time it existed that there was no cardinal.

Cy: Okay, tell us exactly as for … the purpose of the discussion, Joe, 14th century, 1378. Say, we say, we say there is an abbot somewhere, right? And they all go: “You know whatever. He should be the Pope.” Do you have to call him from that … do you know what I say? How do you do that? You have to call him and go: “Do you want to be a Pope?” Or…

Joe: I actually know how it works.

Cy: Okay good.

Joe: You will send a delegate who is forbidden to speak to someone else or others that he does. If there is still someone to talk to, they must also be sworn in secrecy.

Because he cannot reveal the mission on which he goes. But he may have to do things as you know, book a flight so that it wouldn't count for it. Right? And then he goes and he brings her and then reveals the reason. So I think that on the way you only know that they are brought into a papal conclave. You can probably guess what that would bring with it.

Cy: Really? They just go: “Oh, the cardinals would like to speak to them.”

Joe: How, you don't go: “You want you to be Pope.” You just say, “Could you come with me to go to me?”

Cy: Right. It is fascinating. I think I would guess it. I am very smart. I would guess it.

Joe: I mean, you probably already suspected that you will ask you. So I'm not sure whether it was smart … it could only be a view of yourself, just as I will fix it.

Cy: As much as you want. And I know you would do it. I mean, many of them would do it. I have the feeling that a married man is very unlikely that the call of …

Joe: I think so too.

Cy: So here are the cardinals, right? If you decide to want someone outside the conclave, open the front door and you go: “Send someone here”. And someone comes in and goes: “Get on a plane and go where this abbot is.” And then go to the abbot and say: “Come on with me. You would like to see you in the conclave. I can't tell you what it is about at this time.” You know you would wink. They couldn't be. You would say: “Ah, I can't tell you what it is about.”

Joe: And then imagine your disappointment when it turned out that you like: “We can't get the Wi-Fi up and running.”

Cy: Yeah right. Do you have a password that someone said, Pope Francis existed …

Joe: Just to be clear, there is no Wi-Fi in the conclave, but you have the idea.

Cy: Yes, but … okay, but then the guy, okay, so he doesn't want to be a pope. He goes all the way to Rome and he says: “No, I'm not your husband. You have to ask someone else.”

Joe: Yes.

Cy: Oh my God.

Joe: I mean, that's … as strange that is, that is the most realistic way that would trigger the determination in paragraph 87 by *Universi Dominici Gregis *. So it goes about how the last step of getting a new Pope is: “Do you accept your canonical elections as the top Pope?” And the guy can say no, in this case they simply return to the drawing board and continue.

Cy: Right. Well, Pope Francis said he was considering saying no. He actually said … he said, “Give me a minute.” And he started and prayed alone, he said what I actually think that is kind of prudent. This is not something that you just want to go: “Ah, of course. Of course. Sure. No problem. Yes. Can I have weekends free?”

Joe: I actually had plans next week.

Cy: Yeah right. Oh, that's fascinating for me, Joe. That there is a provision for this. So that's interesting. I can't imagine anyone how it could be. There is none …

Joe: I think you probably understood it correctly in the sense that sometimes there is a particularly sacred abbot or someone in a religious order. But when I say sometimes, I think that Celestine V last time is what happened.

And he …

Caller: He didn't really do it, it took …

Joe: It lasted five months. So if you ask a hermit to run the church, you could say: “These are many people. That was not what I had originally got to serve.”

Cy: Well, they had the right idea. They wanted a holy man, but he was partly sacred because he had devoted himself to life with lonely prayer. And then you come to Rome and there are many rich foods here. That is not … that doesn't match.

Joe: And only the business. It is simply not the lifestyle that you have laid a heart in her whole life in relation to the entire plan of life with silence and prayer and structure and all of that. Many of the sheer number of visitors who entertain them and the number of people they interact with and everything else, it only had to have been overwhelming.

And I mean, I don't mean that you can't be a very holy pope. It is just a completely different call to holiness.

Cy: Oh, sure. Yes.

Joe: You can be a sacred … Francis de Sales Realks about what was just the difference between someone who has a life of, she knows, silent contemplation, a bishop and a parent and everything else. These are different calls that were all ordered to holiness, but different types of saints.

So, yes, the … Well, the other type of turn with Celestine V is that after the longest time he was elected to the Pope in which there had been …

Cy: Like a papal interregnum.

Joe: Yes. It was like two years. And like you like: “Okay, finally.” And then five months later he says: “Actually, I stepped down.” I have to imagine that it was a little discouraging.

Cy: Also, they were not very nice to pop, which at that time returned during those days. It was not as if Pope Benedikt was going.

Joe: That's … that's right.

Cy: Where they treated him well.

Joe: Right. Because he was a potential type of threat to the Pope. I think he was very … Boniface VIII, who follows him, was very concerned about him.

Cy: Yes.

So well, just let's take a break. I didn't even know that we would talk about it. But I am fascinated by this thought.

Joe: Well, hopefully it is the people too. Otherwise you will say: “Why did you talk about Celestine V for so long?”

Cy: But that's the most interesting conversation about the papacy that I have heard in all media. Everyone is talking about the same things. Who will it be?

We talk about it … What if it is … what if it's a monk?

Joe: Yes. What if it is a random abbot?

Cy: What would happen then? So you have to listen to it. We will be live with more Catholic answers *!